S1B3 "Mud, Magic, And Motherhood" w/ Jennifer Evans-Rice

What happens when you trade the “glass house” for a kid’s house—one that’s loud, colorful, and bursting with life? This bonus conversation with Jennifer Evans Rice cuts through picture-perfect parenting and lands in a place that feels real: toothpaste on the wall, music in the kitchen, dirt on tiny hands, and a calm plan to clean up later. We talk about raising three daughters while navigating degenerative vision loss, the emotional whiplash of tantrums at 10 a.m., and why a lived-in home can raise more resilient, joyful kids than a pristine room ever will.

Jennifer opens up about how she and her husband balance strengths—she’s the outdoor adventurer, he’s the movie-night curator—and how that rhythm shows their kids teamwork without keeping score. We revisit the childhood freedom many of us remember, from bikes in the street to summer hydrants, and make the case for bringing unstructured play back to build grit, immunity, and creativity. The heart of our exchange challenges the myth of perfect parenting. Jennifer’s mantra is simple and liberating: color outside the lines. That ethos fuels everything from entrepreneurship to adaptive tools that help her thrive as a blind mom, proving that innovation starts where rules end.

We celebrate the women who shaped her path: a mother who anchored faith, an aunt who modeled quiet perseverance, and a cousin who champions relaxation and joy. Along the way, you’ll hear practical strategies—short priority lists, reset rituals by a backyard fire pit, and the art of delegation, including letting dad lead without micromanaging. Expect honest laughter about late arrivals and chicken nugget nights, but also a steady call to choose presence over polish. If you’ve been craving permission to drop the performance, lean into community, and raise brave, curious kids, this one will feel like an exhale.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Bonus Intro And Subscriber Thank You
• 1:03 Meet Jennifer Evans Rice
• 2:16 The Beautiful Chaos Of Daily Mom Life
• 5:10 A Lived-In Home Philosophy
• 6:36 Outdoor Childhoods Then And Now
• 8:09 Dirt, Germs, And Building Resilience
• 9:15 Parenting Dynamics With Her Husband
• 10:57 Letting Go Of Perfection
• 13:25 Entrepreneurship And Coloring Outside Lines
• 15:22 Motherhood As The Ultimate Nonprofit
• 17:31 Real Talk: Boundaries And Burnout
• 19:11 Women Who Shaped Her Motherhood

Transcript

Jaye Wilson: 0:13

Hey girl, hey, it's your girl Jaye. Welcome to a special bonus episode of Melinated Mommy Talks the Podcast. Thank you so much for supporting the podcast by being a paid subscriber. Your paid subscription helps us continue to grow, finance the production costs, and improve the quality of the show. Your support means the world to us, and we want to thank you with exclusive content that shows our appreciation. Bonus content will include everything from parts of the conversations we've had with our guests that don't make it into their episodes, to additional episodes produced exclusively as bonus content to the audio recordings of panels from Melinated Moms events. We hope you enjoyed this exclusive content that's just for you. This bonus episode features Jennifer Evans Rice, who, if you listened to our last few episodes, you know is a blind mom navigating degenerative loss of her vision while raising her three beautiful baby girls. We loved exploring so many aspects of her experiences as a blind mom, coping with the changes that have come along with her blindness, and her journey of learning so many techniques that she will be able to adapt to this new way of life while raising children. We had a little side conversation about motherhood in general that veered off a bit from her experiences as a blind mom, but it was so good we just had to make it into a bonus episode for y'all. We hope you enjoy this little sister mommy friend moment. So go ahead and pull up your metaphorical seat, tap in, and enjoy this bonus episode of our conversation with Jennifer Evans Rice. So motherhood. Breath, full stop.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 2:20

Yes. Take a deep breath in.

Jaye Wilson: 2:22

Yes.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 2:23

Let it out slowly.

Jaye Wilson: 2:24

Jesus. Okay. So as moms, there are great days where we are just basking in the glory of I made a human being. This little person is a part of me. They're beautiful. They smell good. They're cuddly and all that. And then it's like 10 o'clock in the morning, and that same beautiful, wonderful creation has thrown up on you or pooped on you.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 2:49

Lord Jesus.

Jaye Wilson: 2:50

Or decided that they wanted to draw on your walls. Or decided that your two o'clock appointment, you're actually going to get there at 3 :45.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 2:59

Yeah, we're just not making it.

Jaye Wilson: 3:00

They don't feel like putting they shoes on. So can you talk to me a little bit about what does it look like in the day of the life of Jennifer navigating those temper tantrums and all of the things? Because you have two toddlers, you say. Two toddlers and...

Jaye & Jennifer (in unison): 3:17

a newborn.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 3:17

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 3:18

See that newborn, you know, you could just touch them under the arm. Yeah. You realize. Yes. I think, and that's something too. Like, I think as a a mom of more than one kid, you don't realize the luxury of one kid. Because when you just have one, you're like, oh my God, they're like fragile. And then you have another one, you're like, oh, I can totally do this. This is easy.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 3:41

Yeah. Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 3:42

Yeah.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 3:42

I feel like having multiple kids is probably easier because they can play together.

Jaye Wilson: 3:45

Yes.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 3:45

Now that my toddlers are getting older, they play together. So if I'm cooking, I go play in the playroom. That's it. Go. Leave me alone. Go.

Jaye Wilson: 3:51

Enjoy.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 3:51

Yes. Uh-huh. The baby, you, you just with me to 24-7.

Jaye Wilson: 3:55

That's it.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 3:55

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 3:55

That's it.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 3:56

But I, I love having multiple kids. And yeah, so a day in my life, goodness, I am juggling between three different personalities. And who wants to eat what when. And then you ate it yesterday, but you don't want it today. You want snacks. You don't want food. Vegetables are yucky. That is my life. And yes, if you come to my house, there's crayon on the wall, there's chalk on the wall, there's toothpaste on the wall. That's just it's just, you know, we'll paint it in a couple years or such. It's, but it's, it's lived in. My house is very lived in. It's very homey and whatnot. If you come and you judge, if you judge, you can clean. That's how I feel.

Jaye Wilson: 4:32

Put a bucket at the door.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 4:33

Put a bucket there. Here's a broom. If you don't want to, you can leave. But my house is very lived in. My house, my kids love being home and just all the toys and the energy and whatnot. And those are the moments that are great. We're all just playing together and just having a good time in our safe space in our home. But there there are moments where I just want to rip my hair out and just saying, What did I do having multiple kids, especially back to back? It's, it's just day in, day out, one hour to the next, one minute to the next.

Jaye Wilson: 5:00

Yeah.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 5:00

You just gotta, gotta kinda take it in strides. And it's, it's fun. We live in a very fun, fun house. Lots of music, lots of dancing, lots of just...

Jaye Wilson: 5:10

I love that.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 5:10

It's, it's fun. Yeah. I'm not worried about the crayon on the wall.

Jaye Wilson: 5:14

Good.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 5:14

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 5:15

I, you know, I always wonder about those moms who live in like I call it the glass house. Who live in those glass houses where you like you can't sit on the furniture and like the kids like they had like the slick back and all that stuff. I'm like, how do you live? Like, where where is the living happening?

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 5:31

No idea. And you know, I love, I love my family. My family is amazing. When I grew up, I grew up in that house where you there is a certain room, and I think a lot of black families, there's a certain room. Don't you even touch your toe in that room at all.

Jaye Wilson: 5:48

Nope.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 5:48

You know, there's plastic on the furniture. The carpet is white, not even cream. It's the plastic. Oh my goodness.

Jaye Wilson: 5:56

Shout out to the 80s and the plastic couches.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 5:59

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 5:59

You used to be able to Windex your couch and it would just be shiny and gleaming.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 6:05

Nope.

Jaye Wilson: 6:05

No.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 6:06

Nope.

Jaye Wilson: 6:06

No.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 6:06

Nope. Can't do that. Nope. We had that room where you just you don't look at it. And the rest of the house was pristine and clean and whatnot. And there a playroom? What's that? No.

Jaye Wilson: 6:17

Right.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 6:17

Uh uh. That's not my house. My house is a kid's house. It is colorful and energetic and loud. And I love it. I love it.

Jaye Wilson: 6:27

Beautiful.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 6:28

Yeah. But I love you, aunties. Aunties and moms, I love you. We look, we had, we had an amazing clean house. Just can't keep up. I can't do it.

Jaye Wilson: 6:35

No. You know what I think also is like things kind of uh shifted. Right. So when we were growing up, we went outside.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 6:44

Absolutely.

Jaye Wilson: 6:45

All the time.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 6:46

My playground, my play yard, my playroom was outside my backyard. Yeah. We had mud pies and such. The sticks with the little holes. Absolutely.

Jaye Wilson: 6:53

Yes.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 6:54

Yeah. We had a tire that was on uh two, two, um, two trees with like a bar or whatever else, and we just swung back and forth. We did our bike, and there was no uh sidewalk. We just rode in the street somewhere. And if it was a car, you just yell, car, you get out the way.

Jaye Wilson: 7:11

See, those are the things I feel like a lot of these kids are missing now.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 7:16

Right.

Jaye Wilson: 7:16

You know, they can't have those beautiful moments of like playing outside and getting to know their friends and playing in the uh what is it called? The the fire hydrant.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 7:25

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 7:26

You know.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 7:26

Oh, those summer days and fire hydrants. So much fun.

Jaye Wilson: 7:29

It was so great.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 7:30

The whole, the whole community came out just to play with the fire hydrant.

Jaye Wilson: 7:33

Yes, yes.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 7:34

So much fun.

Jaye Wilson: 7:35

I tell my kids about it all the time and they just give me that weird, like, blank stare. Like...

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 7:39

Like, why would you do that? There's a pool.

Jaye Wilson: 7:42

Like, well, mom, like, nobody got in trouble. Like, aren't you scared of like catching germs and diseases? I was like, I was the germ. I was a disease. I was fine. And then I don't need all these vaccines. I didn't need all these things.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 7:55

That's how I deal with my kids now. When they say, oh, Jennifer, your kids playing in the dirt. Okay. They're gonna have the best immune system when they grow older. They're not gonna get sick. Why? Because they're playing in the dirt.

Jaye Wilson: 8:03

Yes.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 8:04

That's why.

Jaye Wilson: 8:04

Yes. They're gonna cough it out.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 8:07

I'm that mom. Exactly.

Jaye Wilson: 8:07

Yes. Yes.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 8:08

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 8:09

So how do you, how are your conversations with your husband around these dynamics too? Because I think with raising kids, it's one thing to birth them and you're like, they're my babies. But like sharing those kinds of experiences. Like, does your husband want those things too? Like, hey, can the kids go outside and play in the dirt? Or is he like, they don't need to do any of these things and just put them in a bubble?

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 8:33

No, he is very much on page with me. And so if they're outside playing in the dirt, whatever else, he's like, okay, they're, they're having fun, then they'll take it. That's what a shower is for. They'll take a bath afterwards and they'll be fine. My husband's more of a homebody. I'm more of an outdoors person.

Jaye Wilson: 8:47

Okay.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 8:48

So it's the best compliment. I will be outside with the girls, we're making mud pies, we're jumping on the trampoline, we're getting dirty. We go inside, we take a shower, and then he is more of like, okay, he's a movie buff. They'll watch Mo ana and they'll watch Frozen and whatever else. And yes, so that's so we compliment each other so well. I'll take him outside, let's tire them out, and then you do movie night, and we all go to bed peacefully.

Jaye Wilson: 9:10

I love it.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 9:10

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 9:10

That sounds like a good day.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 9:11

It works.

Jaye Wilson: 9:12

Even when it's a bad day. That sounds like a good day.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 9:14

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 9:14

Yes.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 9:15

If we make it work one way or the other.

Jaye Wilson: 9:17

I love it.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 9:17

Yeah. We're not perfect. We are not perfect. But we get in there.

Jaye Wilson: 9:21

Does perfection actually exist in parenting?

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 9:23

No, it doesn't. It's totally a myth. It is a myth that is unfortunate because I feel like we're all trying to obtain that perfection and it's, it's a moving target. We're never gonna get there. There's no such thing as a perfect parent or perfect marriage or perfect relationship, perfect child. It does not exist. So stop trying to get to that point.

Jaye Wilson: 9:44

Yeah.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 9:44

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 9:45

My kids

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 9:45

Just have fun.

Jaye Wilson: 9:46

My kids tell me all the time, like all of the things that they do and want to do. And it has to be perfect, mommy. It has to be, I was like, "girl, that's not a real thing."

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 9:55

Color outside the lines. Color outside the lines. That's how we have all these inventions nowadays, because somebody colored outside the lines and figured it out and did something outside the norm.

Jaye Wilson: 10:05

Thank you for saying that.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 10:05

I want my kids to color outside the lines.

Jaye Wilson: 10:08

I love that.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 10:08

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 10:09

I love that. I think about that with entrepreneurship in general. There is always going to be that person who has this crazy idea and it's only crazy until they get people to buy into it.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 10:22

Absolutely.

Jaye Wilson: 10:22

So everything that we do, everything that we use, all of like our adaptive things, right? There's no way in the world I can get around without this cell phone. I make sure if I don't do anything else, this thing will be charged.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 10:36

Absolutely.

Jaye Wilson: 10:36

So I'm going to figure out. That's it.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 10:39

We were using candles forever with oil and whatnot. Somebody, some, some, you know,

Jaye Wilson: 10:43

Somebody had a crazy idea.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 10:44

Had a crazy idea. Let's use electricity, make light. And now, can you live without light?

Jaye Wilson: 10:49

Could you imagine what that first conversation looked like?

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 10:52

They probably looked at him like you're crazy.

Jaye Wilson: 10:53

Like, you know what? I bet I can light this room without a candle.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 10:57

Without a candle, without a fire hazard.

Jaye Wilson: 10:59

Let's, let's...

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:00

Let's figure it out.

Jaye Wilson: 11:01

Let's harness that uh that lightning outside and bring it in the house.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:04

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 11:05

Like you sound nut.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:06

They're gonna think he's absolutely crazy, put him in a nut house. But I'm glad they didn't because now we have electricity.

Jaye Wilson: 11:11

Yes.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:11

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 11:12

And I think, again, that really relates to motherhood. I've honestly, if you, my friend tells me this all the time, motherhood is the ultimate nonprofit.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:22

Oh my goodness. Yes. Yes, it is.

Jaye Wilson: 11:25

She's like, you're gonna put in more hours than you would ever do.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:30

24-7.

Jaye Wilson: 11:32

And you'll never be compensated enough, but you'll still do it over and over and over again.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:36

Because those hugs.

Jaye Wilson: 11:37

Yes.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:38

Those hugs are compensation enough. Sometimes.

Jaye Wilson: 11:41

Girl.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:41

Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes they're not enough.

Jaye Wilson: 11:44

Sometimes I be like fuck that shit.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:45

Exactly. You to get off me. Yeah. You pissed me off. That hug is not helping right now. Move.

Jaye Wilson: 11:52

Yes.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:52

Yeah. Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 11:53

About 77% of the time, I am in love with it.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:57

Exactly.

Jaye Wilson: 11:58

Them other 30, 32?

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 11:59

Mm-hmm.

Jaye Wilson: 12:00

What is it? 20, 22?

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 12:01

Girl, don't ask me. Ask Siri.

Jaye Wilson: 12:02

I'mma starting doing math. All right, we gotta wrap this up. Don't ask me to do no math.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 12:08

No, no math.

Jaye Wilson: 12:09

No math. No math.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 12:10

I love my kids and they're fun and whatnot. But sometimes they get on my last nerve. Last nerve. And so if you come to my house, you're gonna see me having fun with my kids, but you're all gonna see me, you're also gonna see me yell at them, maybe. Because, you know, that's just motherhood.

Jaye Wilson: 12:27

That is motherhood.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 12:28

It is what it is.

Jaye Wilson: 12:30

All right, I have one more question for you.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 12:31

Absolutely.

Jaye Wilson: 12:32

Um so when you think back to when you decided motherhood is my thing. This is what I'm gonna do. Is there a mother or mother figure or auntie or grandma or someone that was in your life that really inspired who you are as a mom? Who is that person?

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 12:53

Oh my, there are so many women. And so, of course, my mom, right? She, she raised me and she did, I think, an amazing job. Um.

Jaye Wilson: 13:01

I like to say so.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 13:02

Yes, yes, thank you.

Jaye Wilson: 13:03

Pretty cool. Pretty cool.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 13:04

There is my Aunt Geneva, and I think I look up to her so much. Um she's a nurse. I'm a nurse. She likes going on vacation and cruises. I love going on vacations and cruises.

Jaye Wilson: 13:14

Okay.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 13:15

The only thing I can, she's very financially savvy. I'm very financially savvy. The one thing I can say that she got over me is her house is pristine.

Jaye Wilson: 13:23

Okay.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 13:24

It is clean. And I, I am I'm working on it, Auntie. I'm gonna get there, maybe, probably not, but I'm gonna try. I'm definitely gonna try. So I definitely look up to my Aunt Geneva a lot. Um, the next person is uh my cousin Coco. She has, I believe, four, four kids. So three boys, one girl. And I call her often saying, Coco, how do you do it? You create three meals, four meals a day. Like, how do you not lose your shit? I, so yeah, I call her often and just say, I'm losing my shit, Coco. Just help me out. And she will bring me back down to earth and help me rationalize whatever's going on, and then we can move forward. So those three women are absolutely inspirational and help me to move forward in my motherhood journey and not lose my shit.

Jaye Wilson: 14:10

All right. I love that. What is it that you feel that those three women gave you, particularly that you put into how you parent your girls?

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 14:18

Yeah. So I would say my mom gave me kind of that godly background, that god fearing, that he is the head of my life and I'm going to always look at him for answers and whatnot. And if I don't get the answer today, I might get it tomorrow. And I'm just gonna wait on that answer while I'm being productive towards whatever that goal is. My Aunt Geneva gave me that perseverance. I, I think I, I look at her lifestyle and I want that, right? And so there's that the duck analogy. You see a duck on top of a water and they're floating around and they look cool, calm, and collected, but you have no idea how fast their feet are going underneath that water. And I feel like that is my Aunt Geneva. You look at her and you think her life is absolutely perfect, but you have no idea how many, how much work she's putting in, how many hours she's putting in. You don't know how fast her feet are going. And so I'm, I look to her, to her to say, okay, how fast are your feet going? And can I replicate that? Can I, can I mimic your lifestyle? Because I like that, but I understand it also comes a lot of hard work and perseverance and determination. And so I think I got that from her. And then my cousin Coco, she helps me to relax. Okay. Enjoy your kids, enjoy your life. It's not gonna be perfect. There is no such thing as perfect. Just enjoy what you have and and move forward and smile. Just it's it's okay to smile. Have it fun. Even if there's uh toothpaste on the walls and spaghetti on the floor. Smile and just move forward. You clean it later.

Jaye Wilson: 15:45

Yeah.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 15:46

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 15:46

I love that. I love that. I feel like moms never get a chance to rest or even know what relaxation looks like. So I'm so glad that you received all of those things. Those are gifts.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 15:56

Absolutely. And kudos to my husband, because he's the one. He is the one that taught me the word relax. I don't know what that word means. It's not in the dictionary. I don't know. I don't know how to relax. My brain's going 100 miles a minute all the time. But he's always the one saying, Jennifer, you need to relax. It means go lay down. Or we have a fire pit in our backyard. You need a minute, go sit at the fire pit. And so kudos to my husband for being so supportive and teaching me the word relax. And it helps, I think he taught me that before we had kids and as we have kids. And so I'm not yelling at them all the time because I'm, I'm more relaxed. It's okay if you make a mess. It's okay if you don't want to eat that today. It's okay. It's okay. I'm just gonna smile. It's not okay, but it's okay. I'm still learning, husband. I'm still learning.

Jaye Wilson: 16:44

I, I really hope more moms can hear that and can feel that.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 16:48

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 16:48

Because we are constantly going, going, going, going. And I'm telling you right now, I am the president of the Team Too Much Club.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 16:55

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 16:56

All the time.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 16:57

Yeah. You take on more than you can actually do.

Jaye Wilson: 16:59

You do. And then, so you know, I'm slightly a crazy person with that. I'll be like, I'll write a list because I'm a Virgo. So I live by a list.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 17:07

Uh-huh.

Jaye Wilson: 17:07

So I'll write a list of 17 things that I want to do. And I'm like, all right, how many things are we going to get done today? And then I really challenge myself to get all 17 things done. Right.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 17:18

Just remember there's tomorrow.

Jaye Wilson: 17:20

That's it.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 17:20

Tomorrow's gonna come and there's gonna be a new list. And whatever else, and some of those 17 things can move over to tomorrow or next week. What is priority for today? What do you got to get done today? Other than that, relax.

Jaye Wilson: 17:32

And I'm learning how to delegate.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 17:34

Yes.

Jaye Wilson: 17:35

That's a hard thing for me too.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 17:36

That's a hard thing for a lot of women is to delegate.

Jaye Wilson: 17:40

You know.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 17:40

Yeah.

Jaye Wilson: 17:40

Now, as my kids are getting older, they're actually asking me, like right before we got here, my, my youngest, she's 13, she goes, Mommy, I saw that you were on your way to go do your podcast episode. And I came downstairs to come and clean the house and it's already clean. I was like, oh my gosh, she wanted to clean the house.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 17:57

You wanted to clean the house?

Jaye Wilson: 17:58

Right?

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 17:59

Like, let me go back in time and put it back into a mess. Please clean the house. Please help me out.

Jaye Wilson: 18:04

Just knock it over. Pick it up again. Like, that's fine. That's totally fine.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 18:07

Absolutely.

Jaye Wilson: 18:07

You know.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 18:08

So coming here, so yeah, I'm, I'm from Georgia and whatnot. And so I put everything together for my husband to make sure the kids are taken care of and the house is taken care of and the dog is taken care of. And he keeps saying, Jennifer, I got it. Jennifer, I got it. Stop it. I got it.

Jaye Wilson: 18:21

Let that man parent.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 18:22

Right? It's absolutely alright. You got it. Okay. Good. And so I'm, I'm, I'm, I couldn't have married a better man. I love him. We fight, we, we, we love. He is so supportive and so great. And right now he's at home full on daddy duty. He got it.

Jaye Wilson: 18:41

He got it. Yep. Shout out to him.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 18:43

Kids eating chicken nuggets every night. That's fine. He got it.

Jaye Wilson: 18:46

They alive.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 18:46

They alive.

Jaye Wilson: 18:47

Listen, we got to tomorrow.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 18:49

Exactly.

Jaye Wilson: 18:50

Well, thank you so much again for coming, Jennifer. I had such a good time with you, and I cannot wait to continue to have these conversations.

Jennifer Evans-Rice: 18:57

Let's do it. I love it.

Jaye Wilson: 18:59

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